D.Gray-man 60 and updates... Posted on: 29/12/2007 22:36 by kip kip's avatar Hey all, I'm back... (sort of). Firstly, I said I'd try not to say it again but... My apologies for the delays on all our projects. I've been fairly busy the past couple of weeks with work amongst other stuff.

At any rate, I think I've found a balance between my personal life and my professional one and I should be able to contribute to the fansubbing process once again! (yey?)

It's long overdue, but here is D.Gray-man 60 in both flavours. I don't expect anyone to have waited, but it's there for those of you who are archiving! :3

D.Gray-man 61 is on its way (just finished editing) and 62 will start translation tomorrow (provided I have some time :P)

And finally, I hope you all had a great x-mas, and if I don't post again before the new year; I hope you all have a great NYE celebration.

ps. My congratulations to Amuro and Jayle on their marriage! :P

[Order]_DGray-man_-_60_[5845AFDD].mp4 (171MiB)

[Order]_DGray-man_-_60_[21C65824].avi (175MiB)

Status update list:
D.Gray-man 61: LT+Cleanup (TL, Timing, Edit; 100%)
D.Gray-man 62: Workraw encoding (TL tomorrow)
D.Gray-man 63: Raw incoming

Tengen 20: Cleaning up (doing it right now)
Tengen 21: Translation in progress
Tengen 22: Awaiting TL
Comment posting is for staff only

 

darkvoltage at 29/12/2007 22:39 darkvoltage's avatar awesome keep up the good work

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 29/12/2007 22:42 DesoNoto's avatar Thanks for the awesome birthday present! Also, I waited for your subs and didn't get SHS's. Woot! :D

 

Kazuki at 29/12/2007 22:46 Kazuki's avatar Thanks !!!! same i didnt get shinsens too, i rather wait for yours XD

 

Gieby at 29/12/2007 22:57 Gieby's avatar awesome work...
It is 23:55 at the moment but I will wait until download has finished and I will definitively watch it! :D
And I will never watch SHS ones, regardless how long I have to wait.

 

NeoZero at 29/12/2007 22:58 NeoZero's avatar Could we get a status update on Tengen Toppa? Just to know it's not forgotten? Please?

 

Ryen at 29/12/2007 23:00 Ryen's avatar Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks! :D

 

tsekatsu at 29/12/2007 23:04 tsekatsu's avatar w00t good work i can finnally watch ep 60 =D

 

Wisher at 29/12/2007 23:05 Wisher's avatar I've waited for yours too...
There are a lot of old stuff to see:P

Thanks for the new realese i'll see it in 5 minutes cya:)

Happy new year

 

Sewers at 29/12/2007 23:06 Sewers's avatar A lot of your fans didn't move on. I want only the quality subs I can get from Black Order. Even if it takes forever, I'll wait and download from here only.
Thanks for 60!

 

Schlauchy at 29/12/2007 23:06 Schlauchy's avatar YEAAHHHHH!
you make me soo unbelivable happy, i will always wait for your subs...I#m not the first who says it, and its not my first time that i say it. But i think you B-O guys should know which great work you do, because its not usual for me to wait a month for the next episode. But dudes....i'm not able to read another sub since i read yours^^.

I Just want to thank the whole B-O Group, i dont know you guys but its awesome that you spend your freetime on subbing...thx..

by the way i start studying japanese next year, maybe i should start B-O Germany^^ just jokin').

 

Aiji at 29/12/2007 23:22 Aiji's avatar Yeeeeah, Great, fantastico:D

Great to see a episode, I just knew there would be at least one before new year:D

This episode rock:D it's true your still 4 episodes behind, but with this quality it does not matter at all:D

 

dannywolt at 29/12/2007 23:26 dannywolt's avatar thanks so much! your release is way above the rest so i'll wait no matter how long it takes

 

suiton at 29/12/2007 23:30 suiton's avatar Hey kip. I'm glad you had a great xmas. Mine wasn't that good...let's just leave it at that.

Anyway, thanks for the update. I'm glad that TTGL is being worked on, and I hope it isn't dropped considering that the anime has been licensed. But I guess that doesn't matter because you guys could simply shift gears over to KAA and simply work on the DVD ones only?

And congratz to Amuro and Jayle for their marriage. I hope you guys have a great one!

=)

Keep up the great work [Black-Order], and I'll be looking forward to more TTGL.

Gambatte!!!

-- suiton

 

Zelix at 29/12/2007 23:32 Zelix's avatar DGM 60?? Oh f*****g yes! I've been waiting for this, oh boy oh boy, i'm shaking again... ooooohhhhh...

*Whacks himself in the head*

... Okay, sorry about, withdrawal symptoms settling down....

*deep breath*

.... *Another deep breath*

............................. *Yet again*

.... There we go, settled down. Anyways, thank you all so much for yet another FANTASTIC release, its good to know you people are doing well and Kip has been able to get things done so well despite all the pressure from real life, truly admirable job Kip, keep at it! :)

For me, Xmas was rather... complicated, good things and some really bad things happened, so it left a pretty heavily mixed taste in my mouth. But, things have been slowly settling down and i'm doing better again. And seeing this new release, helps so much i cannot begin to describe it, thank you from the bottom of my heart, Black-Order and its members.

I wish you all a happy new years eve, in case nothing new gets released or posted, and a prosperous future, see ya!

- Zelix, see ya next time!

 

Alkarzar at 29/12/2007 23:39 Alkarzar's avatar Thanks Kip,

Curiously, How many people archive anime? I have a collection which required the purchase of an external terabyte to keep it safe. One piece is a big series afterall. Everyone calls me sad, just wondering the otaku opinion.

 

Killroy at 29/12/2007 23:44 Killroy's avatar Thanks for this "1st Christmas present" ^_^

 

animerocks99 at 30/12/2007 00:04 animerocks99's avatar YES!

 

The_Last_Sheikah at 30/12/2007 00:10 The_Last_Sheikah's avatar Aww, just my luck for it to be released minutes after I lock the computer room for the night.

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 30/12/2007 00:25 goku91's avatar Thanks for the release guys!!!!!!
It's great!

 

nk at 30/12/2007 00:37 nk's avatar Thanks~! And I, like many others who have commented, would wait for your releases rather than get them from other subs groups. You guys do a great job! =D

 

Privilaged user! juggen (web) at 30/12/2007 00:37 juggen's avatar @Suiton
Can u stop asking for releases, if things are dropped etc?
There was a reason why u were banned from Saizen Forum.

If it was dropped due to licensing, it would have been announced a long time ago...
And since it hasn't been announced yet, I highly doubt it's dropped.
Plus there's a status update in the first post... >_>

 

Meggido at 30/12/2007 00:47 Meggido's avatar thanks for the release guys. I never get shinsen's and prefer to wait on your excellent work. Keep up the good work and hope you had a merry christmas, and have a happy new year.

 

Nobody at 30/12/2007 00:47 Nobody's avatar its not a waste of time to wait for u guys,urs fansub is the best!

 

pilotwizzarc at 30/12/2007 01:03 pilotwizzarc's avatar thanks for the release, but don't spend all ur time working, u need some time off for relaxation, since is almost new years, please take a break before working or take ur time, anyways keep up the good work!

 

GS059 at 30/12/2007 01:14 GS059's avatar I have to admit that I did watch SHS's versions of them since this was a very long wait, but I will also have to say that their subbing sucks compared to the Order's!

 

Privilaged user! Komurin at 30/12/2007 01:19 Komurin's avatar Awesome news! And like most people have already mentioned, the fans of Black-Order are loyal - we wait for your releases! I prefer Shinsen over many subbing groups, but for D.Gray-man, it's got to be Black-Order. Thanks for the hard work, and happy new year!

 

Privilaged user! Fwahaha at 30/12/2007 01:30 Fwahaha's avatar OMG YAY! :D YOU GUYS ARE SO AWESOME! :DDD
Don't worry about it being late and stuff, I can wait for a long time! Yup, just like many others, I didn't get shinsen's subs. :)

This is THE awesomest present Christmas present ever!!! And yes, I know Christmas already past, but my family didn't open presents and have the party yet.. Long story, too lazy to explain and no one really cares anyways. hahah. :P
THANK YOU BLACK-ORDER!!!

 

backroger at 30/12/2007 02:20 backroger's avatar "archiving! :3 " by Kip

lol...i'm still on EP 55...thank you very much for this.

Keep em coming!!

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 30/12/2007 02:23 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar Yay!!!!! Kip!!!

 

dirtch at 30/12/2007 02:37 dirtch's avatar HURRAH!!! Been waiting for your subs :) ~parties!~

 

Donte at 30/12/2007 02:45 Donte's avatar You guys rock. And yes, I have waited for you guys to update. You guys are that good that I can wait for the episodes to come out for.

 

minson56 at 30/12/2007 02:54 minson56's avatar woots! dun worry abt noone not waiting coz im sure lots of ppl like me did wait n will continue waitin for ur great subs! =)

 

Caitlin (web) at 30/12/2007 03:08 Caitlin's avatar Thank you for episode 60! <3

I'm going to make a bit of a confession. :)
I'm fairly new to D.Grayman (been watching it for a month-ish, in between school and work), but I downloaded from your group (partly because I was eager to check it out, and you guys had the best seeds on the torrents, at the time xD), and I fell in love. I feel that you guys did a great job.
But yesterday, you see, I watched 59...and I was eager for more that I watched 60 from another group. I wish I had waited another day. I'm not making that mistake again. XD
So I'm going to rewatch 60 from you guys, and wait patiently for the rest of it from you guys. <3

Good luck and love from Caitlin :P

 

MeDragon at 30/12/2007 03:11 MeDragon's avatar Thank you very much!! Hope your xmas was better than mine (couldn't celebrate because I was ill)

Anyway, keep up the good work and a happy 2008!!

 

Puffy Lu at 30/12/2007 03:16 Puffy Lu's avatar I waited...Quality over speed...thank you for the release and i hope that u all have an awesome NYE.:)

 

Nina at 30/12/2007 03:29 Nina's avatar :D

yay!

many thanks for your hard work~

and i agree with gieby, no way am i giving up to go to shinsen.

^^

 

Hershey at 30/12/2007 04:05 Hershey's avatar You guys are great! I've actually waited for you guys. =P

WOOH i can continue D.Gray-Man and Tengen now. xD

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 30/12/2007 05:08 inuygoku's avatar OM MY HELL!!!!! THANKS A BUNCH YOU GUYS ROCK!!!! I AM SO FREAKING HAPPY I AM JUMPING AROUND MY ROOM SCREMING ORDER RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ~!!!!!!!

 

Darklight at 30/12/2007 06:19 Darklight's avatar Thanks for the new DGM episodes. Your subs are the best. As for the wait i would rather watch the RAW than get shinsen's so you guys take your time to bring the same high quality to your realeases that has made you our favourite fansubbing group

 

Demondor at 30/12/2007 06:46 Demondor's avatar yay! Thanx for the release! Hope you guys get the rest out soon :D

 

AWTWB at 30/12/2007 07:54 AWTWB's avatar I'm another one who waits for your release, Keep up the Good Work!

 

Verdict at 30/12/2007 08:30 Verdict's avatar Thanks a lot! Even though SHS is a professional fansubbing group too, i prefer waiting till your subs come out.Keep up the good work! Happy holidays to you too :)

 

Lynn at 30/12/2007 10:16 Lynn's avatar Just wanted to drop by and say thanks :)
Waited for you to finish too, because its worth the wait.
Keep it up and have a great new year aswell.

And dont over-work yourself :P
(Best wishes to the just married couple too)

 

Chibi (web) at 30/12/2007 11:27 Chibi's avatar I have wait, it most be with your sub otherwise it's bad. :P

 

Matt at 30/12/2007 11:58 Matt's avatar Yeah, thx! I waited :)

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 30/12/2007 12:04 inuygoku's avatar lol I find this funny kip I just watched it a while ago and funny thing my translation of the anime I had written down for my brother so we could watch the was 90% same as yours there were a few parts that i didnt get that was the ten percent. XD

I am now curious as to what you have on all the others ones.


I hope you guys get caught up before the ninth of jan. That way you are right there.

After that episode you are going to have a ton of ppl over here saying WHERE IS THE ANIME IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE RELEASED YESTERDAY!!! ne ne ne ne

so watch out. SHS are dropping after the ninth. XD

But I want to see it so bad! 64 is awesome but 65 is where it is going to get BADASS!!!!!!!!! XD XD XD XD

Thanks for all the hard work kip code ichigo and the rest of you. XD

 

The_Last_Sheikah at 30/12/2007 13:22 The_Last_Sheikah's avatar Just watched now... anyone else thought Krory was impersonating L during that chess game?

 

haru at 30/12/2007 13:47 haru's avatar i see everyone's quite happy, including me...^_^

hey there inuygoku! ^_^

THANK YOU VERY MUCH BLACK ORDER!!! ^_^

 

Richard at 30/12/2007 14:11 Richard's avatar I'm waiting =]. The OTHER group's version isn't to apealing so it's definately worth the waste!

 

momo at 30/12/2007 14:29 momo's avatar yeah!!! finally ep 60 is out!!! sankyuu

 

saskiiaa (web) at 30/12/2007 14:55 saskiiaa's avatar yay :D thank you very much! and please, don't overwork yourselves. all you guys get for this is appreciation anyway..

 

AnorZaken at 30/12/2007 15:59 AnorZaken's avatar Ofcourse we're waiting, duh!
:P :P
Thank you! :P

 

Oedipwns at 30/12/2007 18:05 Oedipwns's avatar I am one who archives both Black order and Shinsen, I watch both too...

 

Guy32 at 30/12/2007 18:16 Guy32's avatar OMG thank you i literally jumped when i saw this posted

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 30/12/2007 19:55 inuygoku's avatar Hey Haru! whats up.

Of coruse I am happy the best in the business of DMG has released their version of episode 60.

So why wouldnt I be happy. XD Again thanks Order for the episode will be sitting a dark corner rocking back in forth until the next one. XD

 

Privilaged user! KariMustang at 30/12/2007 20:05 KariMustang's avatar Thank you for the update Black Order, like everyone else said, I really didn't mind waiting. We understand that you have lives outside of this place. We appreciate all the hard work you do for us ^^

 

Birkin at 31/12/2007 00:48 Birkin's avatar Thanks again for the update BO! Hope you've had an awesome christmas kip and bring the TTGL love :3

 

V at 31/12/2007 01:47 V's avatar Just out of curiosity, just what do all these abbreviations mean in the status updates? What order do things get done in? Like I assume that once you get the raw, you begin translation (TL?), then get a draft script to a number of different editors who collaborate on making things work well, then it goes to a translation checker who makes sure it still means what it means, on to the encoder, who pares down the raw to something that most fans find acceptable (never quite understood why- if you released 400 MB episodes, I wouldn't bat an eye). Is this roughly how it works?

 

sasukeDN (web) at 31/12/2007 02:18 sasukeDN's avatar w00t

 

hitsugaya07 at 31/12/2007 02:29 hitsugaya07's avatar yay! finally a release!!!

this is a really nice gift for new year!^^

I've been wondering what will happen on D.Gray-man since I only watch Black-Order subs... and every time you release a subs makes me really happy!^^

keep up the good work guys!^^

and thanks for subbing this awesome anime!^^

Happy New Year!^^

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 31/12/2007 03:56 inuygoku's avatar @ V

If they released a 400MB episode it better be HD or I would be pissed. XD

 

ashisogijizou at 31/12/2007 05:48 ashisogijizou's avatar thank you for this wonderful episode..

 

selenium at 31/12/2007 07:27 selenium's avatar it was a long wait, but i absolutely refuse to watch shinsen's crap. btw, i'm a big fan of your kara effects! =)

 

Iniquity at 31/12/2007 09:44 Iniquity's avatar i only use you guys for d.gray-man n waited rly happy ya guys released it n gl n hf w/ w/e ure doing w/ your real life n thx for the eps

 

KarnivalKun at 31/12/2007 14:05 KarnivalKun's avatar .. whoaaaaa! *__*
Yeah, I've been waiting for you dudes, and I was in a bad bad withdrawal for DGM XD .. so thanx for the release guys *o*
Hope you all had a nice xmas and wish you a good new year's eve :)

 

Kazuki at 31/12/2007 18:04 Kazuki's avatar @ V

check out the faq section of the site and you will see how B.O . subbing process works

LT=Lunar timing btw

 

Origami at 31/12/2007 18:21 Origami's avatar What are you saying? I'm always waiting for the order-release....^_^
Glad to see dgm goint back on track...

 

dgknight500 at 31/12/2007 19:51 dgknight500's avatar Awesome! I love you guys!!!!!

 

suiton at 01/01/2008 06:47 suiton's avatar @ kip
Do you have any updates on TTGL DVD episodes?

 

onishi at 01/01/2008 18:15 onishi's avatar Waited as well. Happy new year to you people out there!!

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 02/01/2008 08:31 inuygoku's avatar Aw I hope 61 gets here soon XD

Happy New Year! I hope you guys get caught up before episode 65 hit or I will be sad. T-T because I want to see from you guys soon. Because i am so excited That I will blab out what happens in 62-65 XD j/k I would never do that.

But again can't wait for your first release of the new year XD

 

stay77 at 02/01/2008 11:06 stay77's avatar I can be patient. But on January, 8th will start 2 season D.gray-man and the black order has not translated 61,62,63 and 64. Fansubsgroup Shinsen has translated about New year all 1 season (64 episodes). It was the present surprise!!!!! More than half of episode at 61-64 series are borrowed with action that facilitates translation, therefore downturn by black order D.gray-man surprises. You know, that many trust in you and delays for long time so them afflict.......

 

suiton at 02/01/2008 15:37 suiton's avatar @ stay77

You know, that really didn't make much sense at all. It just looked like a wall of nonsense.

All I got from your comment was that you can be patient and that [Black-Order] has yet to release (not translate because they could already have the script for the translations, but not the other parts involved with fansubs) episodes 61~64 of D.Gray-Man.

Who cares what other groups did? If you're going to be "faithful", and continue to stick with [Black-Order] because you appreciate the higher quality, then good for you.

There is no need to post about this because [Black-Order] is aware of their delays with DGray & Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan (TV and DVD for TTGL). There is no need to really remind them. That just agitates them, and I am aware that I sorta did do the reminding thing right here, but it was for the sake of pointing something out to user, stay77...

Try to be more coherent and thoughtful when posting comments so it is easier for other people to understand, especially the staff members here at [Black-Order] because people do read them...eventually that is...LOL.

 

stay77 at 02/01/2008 16:40 stay77's avatar @ suiton

My strong surprise by downturn of the project of the D.grey-person is written to comments. The basis - time and features of translation (small dialogues and there is more than action). The given circumstance (recession) - the absolute fact and your remarks cannot contradict the facts.

 

yuurisan (web) at 02/01/2008 23:19 yuurisan's avatar @ stay77
Don't want to sound mean but, Shinsen wasn't the first to translate up to 64 and notice lots of mistakes in their translation. And so waiting for Black Order release isn't that bad, they provide good quality and it impresses me A LOT^^

 

suiton at 03/01/2008 02:45 suiton's avatar @ stay77
Ok..? Whatever. You're still making no sense. Try to be more simple with your comments. If you're making an attempt to confuse people with that kinda of communication, then I suggest you post elsewhere or simply keep your thoughts & comments to yourself.

-- suiton

 

haru at 03/01/2008 03:52 haru's avatar hey! anyone here understand what stay77 is talking about? (is it even english? i think it may be some form of martian language. lol)

@code

hey code! where are you? your one sided relationship with stay77 is getting worse! i mean look what he/she is doing! lol

@inuygoku

i'm doing fine! ^_^

hey, do you have a myspace or friendster account?

@suiton

still no luck on the TTGL DVD updates eh?^_^

@yuurisan

hi there yuurisan! it's me again...^_^

 

Privilaged user! Fwahaha at 03/01/2008 05:13 Fwahaha's avatar Happy New Year, Black-Order and everyone! This is one day late though. hahaha. :P
Hope this year will be great for you alllll!!!

A new year, a new season of D.Gray-man (right? O_O)! :O

 

stay77 at 03/01/2008 11:25 stay77's avatar @ suiton
@ haru

1) Criticism - a component of any SUCCESSFUL project. 2) 59 episodes - translated 11/29/2007, 60 were 12/29/2007, an interval of 30 days. 3) 61,62,63,64 - are not translated, but I am patient. My surprise causes only, what in the given episodes few dialogues are, and it is easier for translation but why it is not translated? And I wished to inform it up to the black order. 4) Many of people do not understand others, including close relatives.

 

Privilaged user! juggen (web) at 03/01/2008 13:11 juggen's avatar Suiton, I saw u whining for releases of Shigurui over at Saizen, so you're just licking B-O's ass.
stay77 can in no way be defended though, since if u whine for releases, well... try and make it yourself ffs, it's not that easy and it's time consuming, and I think this is a pretty free service ne?

 

blinx01 at 03/01/2008 20:42 blinx01's avatar Thanks for the updates.
Im personally following the TTGL DVD releases so sad to see no mention of them.
However, I did start watching your your releases of D.Gray-Man when it started but dropped it due to watching too many series at once. Now that things have clamed down due to the poor quality of fall 2007 series, I may pick it back up again so good to know you're still hard at work on them.

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 04/01/2008 00:00 inuygoku's avatar HARU I kind of do have a myspace. I split one with my friend. I dont want one of my own. XD

if you want to know me the myspace page name is http://www.myspace.com/sybaera if you message it will know because i am the one running it 90% of time.


Whats friendster???? I might join. XD


you are all dead or something or did the gay fairy emo moster eat you.

 

Kmaid at 04/01/2008 01:37 Kmaid's avatar @suiton

"More simpler"?
lawl.

 

haru at 04/01/2008 05:18 haru's avatar hey everyone! look! stay77 has just commented back at me!

and why the hell is stay77 talking(writing) like that? you'd barely understand what "it" is talking about! lol...^_^

@stay77

i think i just referred to you in my previous comments, i wasn't addressing you directly...lol...^_^

(what i mean is that i was talking about you but i wasn't talking to you...lol...^_^)

 

haru at 04/01/2008 09:27 haru's avatar @kmaid

i think suiton typed "more simple" rather than "more simpler". try looking again. and it think he meant to type "simpler" or "much simpler"...^_^

 

Alkarzar at 04/01/2008 13:37 Alkarzar's avatar I think stay77 is using some translation software, anyone have any translation software for the translation software?

 

reyke at 05/01/2008 01:10 reyke's avatar @stay77 dont copy paste stuff from wiki...we rly dont give a .... you know.... =.=

thx anyways B-O ur subs are top notch

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 05/01/2008 15:25 goku91's avatar Thanks again Black Order!
Can't wait til i see another great episode subbed by one of the best

 

Privilaged user! WhiTeFoX at 05/01/2008 21:23 WhiTeFoX's avatar thank you for another ep =3

 

animerocks99 at 07/01/2008 10:14 animerocks99's avatar i just figured out what kip's profile pic is

 

animerocks99 at 07/01/2008 10:17 animerocks99's avatar man stay77 is being annoying over a little delay
these subbers have lives you know!
and so do the rest of us

 

JC at 08/01/2008 02:43 JC's avatar Hey! thanks for this release. I concur with all the people in here. I prefer to wait than download other releases. Quality is superb. Keep the good work!

P.S. you left Title-Title on the title, intead of the real title. :D

 

ryo723 at 08/01/2008 02:57 ryo723's avatar @stay77

You know that you dont make sense at all and u know that the bottom line of your comments is that you are indeed bitching about Black-Order not releasing episodes on time. So here's what I'm gonna tell u as a person whose been downloading from Black Order since D.Gray-Man episode 1: STOP POSTING YOUR STUPID COMMENTS BECAUSE IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE AND STOP YOUR CRYPTIC BITCHING. THE ONE THING I CANT STAND IS WHEN PEOPLE BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT EPISODES NOT BEING UP ON TIME, ETC!! I'm sure everyone will agree with me!!!

 

selenium at 08/01/2008 06:51 selenium's avatar @JC: i think "Title-Title" is the actual title, since the akuma keeps on saying "Title" and all =)

 

Privilaged user! inuygoku at 08/01/2008 07:39 inuygoku's avatar @Ryo.

Well I agree with you. about 75/25 Yeah WE cant expect them to be waiting on us every second.

But the other 25% Loves the on time-ness. XD

so yeah Translation is very annoying sometimes. especially when you need one more work and you can figure it out for like ever and you need. done ASAP!

So I am hoping stay77 will realize that it is not easy. and should try to think of other peoples lives. XD

Though japanese-anime is easier to translate then japanese music or high formal japanese. XD

 

stay77 at 08/01/2008 08:01 stay77's avatar @ryo723

1. Propagation? Transition to people?

2. My surprise concerning a delay of the black order has touched you?. Possibly in you, what difficulties in lives or problems and the help are necessary for you?

3. The irritation does not paint you.

P.S. I Congratulate you and all in the beginning 2 seasons, and I wish you success and happiness!

 

stay77 at 08/01/2008 09:21 stay77's avatar Discussion decreases to irritation of participants (other themes are not present). It is very surprising? And it is very interesting!

 

Demondor at 08/01/2008 18:29 Demondor's avatar I have to say that this is the only post of stay77 that i have fully understood. Maybe he found a better translation software...

 

JC at 08/01/2008 19:47 JC's avatar selenium,

My apologies... I'm learning Japanese and I misunderstod the title. So I took the title to my teacher and agreed that it was correctly translated... But hey... you learn from your mistakes don't you?! :) I hope to learn enough so I can help you out in some way.

 

Ambarato at 08/01/2008 21:26 Ambarato's avatar Thanks for all the episodes, D.GrayMan and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. You're my favourite fansub group by far.
Could we maybe have an update on the status of the episodes? It's been about 10 days since your last post and I can't wait to see more DGM.

 

dgknight500 at 09/01/2008 00:57 dgknight500's avatar I agree that Stay77 is being very annoying. He has been irritating me for the last couple of months with his lack of patience (and that odd, incomprehensible speech of his...) So i will say this once:

Please keep your comment's to your self, until you either
1.) Learn enough English to enable people to understand you
2.) Stop B!ITCHING every time BO is late!!!!

Errr... perhaps i should say it in a way that you can understand:

You stop must with irrevocable and glamorous speech upon Black Order delayed!

I hope it helps ;)

 

Yogi-Bear54 at 09/01/2008 01:30 Yogi-Bear54's avatar Yeah im not trying to be an ass or ungrateful or anything...buts its been over a month since a new TTGL. I know its a lot of hardwork but think we may be able to get a new episode? its not fun waiting fo so long. And yeah go ahead and butcher me all you want people ^_^

 

Privilaged user! Fwahaha at 09/01/2008 06:26 Fwahaha's avatar @yogi-bear54:
*brings out butcher knife* PREPARE TO DIE! FWAHAHAHA!! jk, jk... couldn't help it.

I like reading the comments for some reason, and anyways, my opinion on stay77 is, well, not much, since i can't really understand him/her... but I agree that it sounds like s/he's whining about releases. o_o

end of useless post. :D

 

kINTO at 10/01/2008 20:50 kINTO's avatar hi o_O ... i sympathize with stay77 ... if it weren't for kip playing too much air hockey and attending weddings a lot more work would get done >_> ... http://order.kipsta.net/viewcam_avi.php?id=69 .. <-- watch the kip cam to make sure kip doesn't slack off!!!!

*stay77* "Discussion decreases to irritation of participants (other themes are not present). It is very surprising? And it is very interesting!" <-- moment of zen???

 

tsekatsu at 10/01/2008 23:58 tsekatsu's avatar @ Backroger,What anime is you avitar from?

 

ToxicCookie at 11/01/2008 12:34 ToxicCookie's avatar @ tsekatsu

It's from Clannad, a great show, lot's of humor, so emo bits though, thanks B-O for all your hard work, sure would like to see some more of it, preferably in the form of some TTGL;)

 

Lighto at 11/01/2008 14:55 Lighto's avatar Toxic its from Clannad

 

Guy32 at 11/01/2008 23:27 Guy32's avatar @tsekatsu,
im pretty sure the avatar is from Clannad(spelling?)

And I've often wondered why stay77 even waits for the BO releases if he can't even speak english, it's kind of stupid. Am I right or not?

 

ilias3000 at 12/01/2008 01:22 ilias3000's avatar the suspens is killing me, need more DGM, already showing withdrawal symptoms. do hook me up cuz i'm craving :P.

PS: thnX 4 al the episodes so far, yall doing a greate job
keep up the good work.

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 12/01/2008 02:48 DesoNoto's avatar @tsekatsu

I think it's from Clannad. Haven't watched the show yet but it looks like it would be from it. ;)

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 12/01/2008 18:00 goku91's avatar yes it is definetely Clannad

 

dgknight500 at 12/01/2008 19:06 dgknight500's avatar @Guy32

I was wondering the same thing...

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 12/01/2008 23:14 goku91's avatar maybe stay77 is a little kid and doesn't know his/her english very well yet?

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 13/01/2008 18:08 goku91's avatar or maybe he reads the subs to learn english?

 

tsekatsu at 13/01/2008 18:14 tsekatsu's avatar @ goku91,Desonoto,Guy32,Lighto,Toxic thx all :)

 

chris (web) at 13/01/2008 20:47 chris's avatar lol i was just surfing around some anime sites and i found one with several conventions. there was a link to one which is outdated for several years but i found something interesting.
i think it was this page that was hijacked and where a fake pic of the webmaster (or something like that) was posted. I hop so, because i cannot recall it pretty well. NVM here is what i wanted to sho you:
visit: http://www.otakucon.com/ and look at the commercial :D
found the pic xD

PS: if I am wrong and this isnt the site doesnt matter....youll just have another pic to watch at but i suggest you dont visit the site since it will give those bastards just more money and 1 visit more -.-

 

Panaghoy88 at 14/01/2008 00:34 Panaghoy88's avatar @stay77

I have read all your posts and you really need to learn English dude! Too many grammatical and spelling errors. Wrong use of words which makes all your sentences incomprehensible. It's really funny though! Makes me laugh a lot! Not being boastful here ;). I'm not even American or European but I know how to speak and write English well, so even you stay77 can learn English with proper tutoring. Please learn.

Anyways Order keep up the good work, hoping that if you finally release the next episode it will be a batch from 61-65. I always find your subs way better!

 

Kageryushin at 14/01/2008 03:52 Kageryushin's avatar Huh... They're taking quite awhile, aren't they? How very unfortunate. I'm particularly enthralled in Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann at the moment, and I'm eagerly anticipating their next release. I wish they'd go faster! Oh well... I guess beggars can't be choosers.

 

dirtch at 14/01/2008 15:08 dirtch's avatar Dudes, relax. They'll get 'em up soon! Just keep this in mind: the next release will most likely be a huge batch! 61-65, maybe? Or 61-66, whichever! If you really can't wait there are a lot of other people/groups upping DGM eps on a regular basis. Same goes with TTGL, I would guess.

 

Alkarzar at 14/01/2008 22:51 Alkarzar's avatar Something big is going to happen, I can sense it.

 

Brass2TheMax at 15/01/2008 08:30 Brass2TheMax's avatar My utmost apologies if this appears rude, I don't mean it to be, but are there any updates (updated ones, that is) regarding the status of DGM, or more importantly, TTGL TV? I don't mind waiting for B-O releases, because they are obviously the best, but I'm only human, and after so long a wait curiousity overcomes me.

Sorry if you've been badgered about it already (I'm sure you have). But it would be nice to know :)

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 19/01/2008 02:58 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar so i herd you guise liek mudkipz?

 

xsysstar at 23/01/2008 12:20 xsysstar's avatar How strange: it seems new posts are not accepted anymore? Last I saw 122 (7) posts and now we're back at 122 (0)...

Everything allright?

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 23/01/2008 18:30 Code's avatar just a lot of whiners

 

Privilaged user! KariMustang at 23/01/2008 23:45 KariMustang's avatar I love your avatar, Code ^^

 

Brass2TheMax at 24/01/2008 05:00 Brass2TheMax's avatar Hope everything is going alright for ya B-O staff.

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 25/01/2008 23:55 Code's avatar There's nothing to report, so any more "what's going on?" posts will just get deleted. btw thanks KariMustang <3 :P

 

Strikerflame at 26/01/2008 02:58 Strikerflame's avatar I won't ask what's going on but I'm sure as hell annoyed at not knowing. We have a right to know why so many delays are just piling up. There's no way in hell I'm resorting to Shitsen subs so I've had to deal with raws. You're seven episodes behind in DGM and we'd just like to know why instead of being left in the dark. God knows we respect and are grateful for all the work you put in to Gurren Lagann and D. Gray-man more than words can even express. But this leads to the fact that we rely on you for the only decent quality subs of DGM and the only tolerable non-speed subs of GL. Please, wanting to know what's going on isn't asking too much, it's only fair that we find out. And it's very UN-fair when you delete comments that bring up this same point.

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 26/01/2008 19:32 Code's avatar First off you say you're not going to ask what's going on, when in fact you just did, and second you forget we do this for FREE, putting our own time and effort in so really, you have no right to complain, you have other options, if you still want to moan then I suggest you use them.

 

Andreas at 26/01/2008 20:41 Andreas's avatar I'am more then happy to wait so long as the "EBIL HIJACK LADY!" dosn't move in permanently.

Keep doing a great job :)

 

yogi-Bear at 26/01/2008 21:33 yogi-Bear's avatar <3 StrikerFlame! Your my new hero(besides Kamina of course)

 

Pilkman at 26/01/2008 21:38 Pilkman's avatar Let me ask you this, Code. Let's say you were having troubles in school, and I, out of the goodness of my heart, agreed to tutor you free of charge. We agree on a time and day to meet, but then something comes up with my job and so I don't show. You'd be pretty pissed, right? Even though I was going to do it for FREE, and even though work related issues made an acceptable excuse for having to cancel, I still should have contacted you to let you know I wasn't going to make it.

I just get tired of fansubbers having the attitude that because they do it for free, that makes them above criticism. People here, in spite of the long delays, have continued to be very supportive of you and are only asking--quite reasonably--for some sort of update on what's going on and why there's been such a massive delay when the last update seemed so optimistic about upcoming releases. Yet instead of trying to be sympathetic or helpful, you're just getting defensive. If you have time to post snippy replies to people, you have time to update this site with some information--even if that information is just "I have no idea what's taking so long, I'm very sorry, please continue to be patient." At least that would show that you have some respect for the feelings of your fans.

 

blinx01 at 27/01/2008 01:17 blinx01's avatar I agree with the above poster some what.
I fansub R2J anime DVD's for my own personal use and mostly share them on a private torrent site. Anyway, what im getting at is that while it's annoying to have people bugging you when they don't actually know how much sweat and tears go into these releases, I do feel that it's only right I should keep people upto date on how things are progressing.
Like the poster said, ALOT of people rely on Black-Order to deliver quality subs for two series they love, DGM and TTGL. There may be other options for people not wanting to wait but alot of people would rather keep things consistant and stick to the high quality they have come to know. With that in mind I think its only fair to keep these fans that stick by you updated.
Obviously your not a speed subbing group and we understand that, but its coming upto 1 month since your last release so its understandable people are going to be bugging you.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Hopefully this message doesn't get deleted as I believe it's a worthwile addition and will perhaps give people another perspective on the situation.

 

Donte at 27/01/2008 02:20 Donte's avatar @ Strikerflame: Dude, you just asked what was going on. Chill out, when they get it done, they get it done. Thats all there is to it. After all it is a FREE service they are performing here.

@ Black Order: Just take your time guys, don't rush anything. Ill be here till the cow's come home for you guys. So relax and don't let the pressure of those who can't wait get to you.

 

DarkBoySabata at 27/01/2008 07:11 DarkBoySabata's avatar Wow I leave for a little while to come back to see a lot of people complaining about the lack of subs.

They're trying their best people, just let them work and have a life as well!

 

Reverend Tweek at 27/01/2008 07:34 Reverend Tweek's avatar Kudos to you Code. I came in here to say that very thing. I even have some RL friends who talk about sub-groups and how they have "a right" to know whats going on or how different sub-groups "owe them" bringing out new episodes on time. I wonder, have any of these people donated to their favorite sub-groups? If not, then their rights are Nil, and they are owed nothing.

That said, great job on all the GL subs so far, and I await in eager anticipation for whatever delays to clear themselves up. I really HAVE to know how this series ends.

 

Ayumi-chan at 27/01/2008 19:10 Ayumi-chan's avatar Ahhh, I wish I had the willpower to wait for the Order fansubs. The Shinsen ones suck. Still, I'm replacing my backlog with Order.

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 27/01/2008 20:20 goku91's avatar I hope everyone is all right
I cannot wait til your next release!
so do your best!

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 27/01/2008 21:48 goku91's avatar btw
does anyone know where i can watch or download Cyborg 009 with either english subs or dub?
Because i can only find it in sweedish @.@

 

DarkBoySabata at 28/01/2008 00:13 DarkBoySabata's avatar I went to Wikipedia and characters from Gurren Lagann now have english voice actors... are they in production of dubbing this to english? Can someone help me look into this and confirm it?

 

DarkBoySabata at 28/01/2008 00:38 DarkBoySabata's avatar Haha wow they got Vic Mignogna to voice Viral? Awesome win right there!

 

Privilaged user! Komurin at 28/01/2008 02:00 Komurin's avatar @Strikerflame
It's small, so I can't quite tell, but is your avatar from Karas?

Anyway... I think one reason fansubbing groups get defensive is because along with all the considerate requests for new releases or an update post, there are so many more in the vein of "zomg liek i need my animes NAO". And it's not like Black-Order's trying to hold out on anybody. It's a busy time of the year, and good fansubbing takes a lot of time. That being said, I can also certainly understand why, even if there are no new releases, some fans would still appreciate a news post simply saying "sorry guys, we're still busy". Either way, I figured that was the case, and I don't mind since I'll just keep waiting until new stuff is out.

 

DarkBoySabata at 28/01/2008 04:13 DarkBoySabata's avatar Waiting is always cool, cause then when the thing you want finally does come out, it's great.

Take Super Smash Bros Brawl for example. That game has been delayed so much, I just gave up complaining about it and look forward to when it does come out.

So take your time Black Order, I've learned patience and I hope everyone else here can wait without complaining as well.

 

Neozero at 28/01/2008 05:32 Neozero's avatar I'm reading a lot of "be patient," and I can sympathize, but patience has its limits. For those who don't use IRC, the only way we see any activity here is by rudely asking for subs, so a staffer will tell them to calm down.

I've kinda given up on asking about TTGL, but can we at least get a status report? At this rate, it seems like the group is dead. At least, acknowledge that there will be a long hiatus. It would go down much smoother than constant "short delays" that pile up. I can wait for months if told to, but waiting that long a day at a time is quite rough.

 

FlyingElf at 28/01/2008 06:45 FlyingElf's avatar I know a few fansubbers from various groups and I know that for every one post you see here bashing them, they get 50 million emails saying "you guys suck, learn to sub faster and release n00bz". Thats why they get so defensive about things, plus its human nature too that if someone assaults you verbally like that, your first response is to defend yourself.

So would I like to see a news post or something with an update on the status of stuff...absolutely, but does Black Order owe us anything at all? Absolutely not. They could simply stop subbing today, shut down the site without any kind of notice and theres not a damn thing we can do or say. Thats not likely to happen because no matter how much work and stress goes into producing a fansub, ultimately they do it because they enjoy it. Its a hobby and just as you don't always keep up on all your hobbies and sometimes you need a break, the same applies here.

That being said I really look forward to more GL. I'm a huge fan of the series and its been really hard dodging spoilers at anime cons as well as resisting the urge to go dl a crappy speedsub, however I also understand it will be done when its done and complaining sure as hell isn't gonna get it done any sooner.

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 28/01/2008 07:29 Code's avatar The status at the moment is, kip is busy with work and other things, so the fansub work he's got here can't be done, when he'll have free time to continue subbing, we won't know, he hasn't been in contact in a few weeks, so pretty much everything is on hold.

I really don't want people emailing him asking/begging/demanding him to sub anime which is clearly not what we do for a living. I hope this clears up all these issues, so for now, we won't know when our next release will be.

 

Yu-kun at 28/01/2008 09:55 Yu-kun's avatar thx for clearing things up. we jus wanted to know whats going on behind d curtains. now i can patiently wait for the upcoming eps. thx for ur hard work Black Order

 

blinx01 at 28/01/2008 12:46 blinx01's avatar In reply to DarkBoySabata, ADV will be releasing the first DVD of TTGL in late Feb.

 

Neozero at 28/01/2008 14:17 Neozero's avatar @ Code

Thank you. That was a very concise, simple, and direct answer that was quite unobtrusive. I can understand how a job could suck the free time out of a person as well as the will to fansub, as I currently hate MY job thoroughly.

That's all you'll be hearing from me until production resumes regularly.

Sorry if I sounded so coarse and blunt.

 

Strikerflame at 28/01/2008 18:07 Strikerflame's avatar @Code
Thank you.

@Komurin
It's from an absolutely fantastic Tokusatsu show called Garo. TV-Nihon has it available fansubbed for download. It's for a more mature audience than things like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai and it's more than worth your time.

 

rake at 28/01/2008 22:10 rake's avatar Thanks Code..
I think that you last post needed to be standalone post on main page...
150> comments is tooo much..
and many Q will be solved..

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 29/01/2008 00:21 DesoNoto's avatar Thanks for the info Code. Real life is way more important then this hobby. But I was wondering, isn't kip a girl?

 

Privilaged user! Komurin at 29/01/2008 00:22 Komurin's avatar @Strikerflame
I looked that series up, and it does look very interesting. I'm going to give it a try; I'll let you know what I think.

(Maybe I'll consider getting IRC so I'm not limited to the comment area)

 

Privilaged user! juggen (web) at 29/01/2008 00:44 juggen's avatar I bet most people don't see any logic in code's post anyways, since real life and fansubbing don't go hand in hand in most leechers' heads. They will keep complaining like usual.

 

Privilaged user! Fwahaha at 29/01/2008 23:12 Fwahaha's avatar @Code:
cool, thanks for letting us know what happened.

Hum, it doesn't really matter to me how long it'll take... i have too many other anime i need to catch up to anyways... and a whole bunch I'm planning to start watching. O_O

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 30/01/2008 01:10 DesoNoto's avatar @Fwahaha

That's so true for me too. I got around 20-50 anime and manga series I could start to watch or read any minute so I'm in no rush whatsoever. ;)

 

Carbeaux at 30/01/2008 11:31 Carbeaux's avatar @Code

thanks that's all we wanted to know :D

 

Kazuki at 31/01/2008 02:19 Kazuki's avatar @ DesoNoto & Fwahaha

same I have loads to watch too and to catch up on as well plus aload of other things I plan do like movies I plan to watch and games to play so I can literally wait forever XD

seriously I hate people who whine, it makes them sound like they have a sad life and can do nothing but just wait for a specific anime and whine like babies <_< and I feel that it doesn't really take a genius to work out that the staff is busy if a release hasn't been out for a while yet so why ask for a update when it crystal clear that the staff are busy

@ Strikerflame

any group that fansubs anime should be respected since they devote their free time to sub anime so I feel you shouldn't diss shinsen by calling them shitsen

in terms of a leecher watching a episode takes an avg 20-25mins while subbing a single episode for a fansubber much longer

 

N--blet at 03/02/2008 14:08 N--blet's avatar What kind of raws are you using for this batch of Gurren Lagann eps? Your recent ones are smaller than your first releases, and BulletSpeedSubs has very large videos. Any chance you'll release larger, hi-def versions?

 

reyke at 03/02/2008 23:24 reyke's avatar @ N--Blet: mb w8 for the dvd releases then w8 kaa releases ^^'

 

Privilaged user! Fwahaha at 04/02/2008 00:56 Fwahaha's avatar @DesoNoto and Kazuki
haha, so i'm not the only one who's got a whole bunch of anime/manga/other stuff to do. :P
Well, even though i can wait, i always end up coming here nearly everyday. I need to stop doing that, since it wastes bandwidth. O_____O

 

Blueyepez69 at 04/02/2008 16:40 Blueyepez69's avatar I love your subs. but am i missing something it seems there is no post with the other Dgray-man beyond eps. 60...

 

blinx01 at 04/02/2008 16:50 blinx01's avatar @ N--blet
TTGL didn't air in native HD.
The broadcast was upscaled on one channel, which is what BBS-Anon used. Not very good quality at all.
Black-Order would be better off sticking to whatever they are using.

 

Gonzoe at 04/02/2008 20:52 Gonzoe's avatar i only watch gray man blach and naruto, what other long running animes fall under this genre that i can start watching?

 

kursk at 05/02/2008 10:16 kursk's avatar r u guys dead or wat??
it took forever to wait for ur release
now it's already ep68
u guys still stuck at 60??

 

Metalic at 05/02/2008 20:19 Metalic's avatar I just started watching Gurren lagann ( im late! ) and these are the only fansubs worth watching so take your time!!

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 06/02/2008 02:07 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar Honestly I'm not even going to bother reading all these posts, simply because I can smell the stench of "BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH POTATOE" from a mile away.

Seriously, if you can't wait, then good for you, but don't come here demanding shit of Order when

A) All you do is leech
B) All you do is bitch
C) They have their own lives and sometimes shit hits the fan and people get very busy

Get over yourselves, they're doing this for free, as a fuckin' hobby. God knows Code could be playing more TF2 so that he doesn't suck so much (jk) if he wasn't busy doing shit for you people.

Then again, you have my respect for not being so devoid of intellect like all the retards that bitch at timecop. I mean holy hell when I was in the DB guild for GW I only got a taste of all the bitchy letters they get.

To conclude: I just blew my load 3 times in a row. And I wish sudo would hurry the fuck up with the Spice and Wolf subs. I wub Sudo.

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 06/02/2008 02:08 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar Oh shit I forgot to add a tl;dr.

tl;dr:

Shit hit the fan, people need to stfu and stop bitching, and sudo does an AWESOME job with Spice and Wolf. I can't wait till they sub more episodes. I've been needing an anime like that for ages.

 

ilias3000 at 06/02/2008 03:03 ilias3000's avatar spice an wolf? what kind of animes are that?

 

gonzoe at 06/02/2008 07:04 gonzoe's avatar @ chunky monkey

LOL!

- Gonzoe

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 06/02/2008 12:53 goku91's avatar @N--blet
an anime is an anime. high-def is just retarded. If you ask me.

 

iTayb at 06/02/2008 16:28 iTayb's avatar Damn good fansub. You guys rock! Keep doing great subs and bring pride for all the fansubs' around the world.
(:
love ya~!

 

reyke at 06/02/2008 16:45 reyke's avatar chunky-monkeylol 1 - 0 leechers/whiners/geeks guild

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 06/02/2008 22:07 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar @ goku91

Actually there is a HUGE difference between SD and HD anime. If you can't see it you're either blind or ignorant.

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 07/02/2008 00:07 DesoNoto's avatar I for one would rather have HD then SD any day. Probably because I'm a quality freak though. I mean, I have 3 versions of GITS 2 and I would definitely watch the HD version. :D

 

cook777 at 07/02/2008 01:43 cook777's avatar Are you guys still alive? :(
I hope so.

 

Random500 at 07/02/2008 16:35 Random500's avatar Hey, wouldn't this be a great time to set up an RSS feed?

Actually, that's a terrible idea.

How about setting up a feed once you guys come back? Yeah.

 

Birkin at 07/02/2008 21:20 Birkin's avatar BO's subs is like watching HD ;)

 

The_Last_Sheikah at 07/02/2008 23:39 The_Last_Sheikah's avatar I didn't see any difference between SD and HD... before I got glasses. Seriously.

 

AnorZaken at 09/02/2008 01:30 AnorZaken's avatar @Chunky-MonkeyLOL
Totally agree. However he could simply have good imagination too. It's like reading a book you know; ultimately the experience is related to your imagination. Like when I don't get any new eps for a series for over a week (in cases where I watch the anime AND read the manga) the distinction between anime and manga gets a little blurry. It becomes hard for me to distinguish the two when I think about the recent developments in the story of the anime/manga. The manga simply becomes anime-like in my head after a while, with animated attack scenes and all.
However, HD still rulez xD

 

Zer0 at 09/02/2008 04:58 Zer0's avatar You guys are the best!
just wish you werent so slow with gurren lagann :]
cause i really dont want to change sub groups :D
just 8 more episodes (and ova?)

now im not trying to be rude or anything here and i appreciate what you do
but whats with the delays?
the seris has been out for a year apparantly
dattebayo subs bleach and naruto almost instantly and have great quality and translations

speed up a little and ill love you forever

 

DarkBoySabata at 09/02/2008 08:38 DarkBoySabata's avatar Since TTGL now has a dub in the process, I guess it's licenced right? Is that maybe a reason why we're not getting of the episodes? I hope it's just the crew at black order being busy and they still get them out eventually.

 

Yue at 09/02/2008 13:20 Yue's avatar It must be very hard to be a fansubber. I'm glad that i'm not in the same shoes as Kip and Co. When he/she comes back, the Order will have a lot of work to do to catch up with the realeases of DGM and TTGL. Keep up with the good work and I wish you guys good luck.

 

reyke at 10/02/2008 01:14 reyke's avatar btw whats sudo's site...i watched the first episode of spice and wolf from them and it had an awesome quality but i cant find their site

 

luke at 10/02/2008 19:54 luke's avatar um, guys, why is it that here everyone is anti-shinsen? not that i have a problem or anything (hey, it is your own opinion, i am not judging), but i checked 1 of their d.gray-man releases and i didnt find any huge differences...can someone please tell me the reason of the anti-shinsen-on-d.grayman ? i simply dont get it =/ (i didnt check the sinsen release too much though)....thanks in advance =)

 

AizawaYuuichi at 11/02/2008 04:24 AizawaYuuichi's avatar I seriously doubt that there are any true HD raws for TTGL, being as we've already gotten DVD-rips, and they are not HD. The station may have broadcasted it upscaled, or the cappers may have upscaled it, but the anime is not HD. All you have to do is compare a B-O release blown up to fullscreen next to a speedsub at HD res at fullscreen... basically same quality... means the speedsub release was already stretched for you. Though, as ADTRW pointed out, Wolf and Spice truly is higher resolution than 704x400. Their 1024x576 release was gorgeous.

 

xxbobxx at 11/02/2008 18:56 xxbobxx's avatar Where are you I need my fix!!!!!!!!
Love you all! Hope life is treating you well and that the Shit stops hitting the fan. Such a mess. EWWW

@The_Last_Sheikah:
The difference also depends in the quality of your system. If you have a poor Vid card, or monitor then the difference you will see is less. Also the resolution you run at could also play a role in the difference you see.

 

IPRFenix at 12/02/2008 00:11 IPRFenix's avatar I've followed Black-Orders Dgrayman releases all the way up to episode 60. Since they haven't released in so long, I finally went ahead and downloaded the Shinsen releases for 61-69. I must say, while the shinsen releases were fine... After seeing 9 episodes of their releases and comparing it to the 60 releases by Black-Order, the Black-Order releases win, hands down in my opinion.

I will continue to watch the show via Shinsens releases, however, I will continue to support Black-Order and will gladly wait however long it takes, to get the Black Order releases. So heres to hoping they can eventually continue their fantastic releases in the future!

 

DemonFlam001 (web) at 12/02/2008 00:45 DemonFlam001's avatar Are you guys even subbing D.Gray-Man anymore???!???
cuz it's definitely been long enough for the timing of episode 61, you take any longer and you'll be treated as an abandoned fansubbing service and everyone's going to switch to shinsen. and to tell you the truth though I'll always prefer Black-Order no matter how long you guys take even if I'm now switching to shinsen only because you guys take ridiculously long now to fansub a single 30 min. episode when it used to take you guys a day or less to fansub an episode(Imean really why so long to fansub an episode now???).

 

infernoz585 at 14/02/2008 01:34 infernoz585's avatar wow kip
i hate to ask but, are you guys done subbing? I know it sounds mean, but you haven't posted here in over a month, not released anything, but posted any kind of update. If your going to finish subbing, then i think the public who finds your subs amazing deserves to know lol

 

artmonkey at 14/02/2008 06:44 artmonkey's avatar I have no clue what's going on. I've seen your TTGL vids on stage6 and they were beautiful, but when I try to download them, they look horrible. This should not happen! What is going on?

 

ichito at 14/02/2008 21:37 ichito's avatar Hi Order!!, Hey Whats happening whit you guys!!?, there´s has any releases from your part!!, now are 10 chapters from D Gray Man that you have released, I hope that you don´t have droped any project´s ´cause there´s a lot of very very good chapters that are coming of D Gray Man, and I and the others fan´s are waiting from your releases, so please i hope that everyone it´s ok! and please don´t leave your project´s onegaishimasu!!

 

JC at 14/02/2008 22:13 JC's avatar I read the posts and most of them complain (some in a good way, some in anot so good), and I understand, but can you help in some way?

@Code: If you need any help let me know, I can see how to help but on translations, as I haven't passed the JAP lvlI test yet.. LOL.

 

comicozi at 15/02/2008 04:25 comicozi's avatar i quess you guys are gonna be the next kaizoku fansubs...one ep a month, then you are suddenly gone. sad, very sad.i guess you should take down the website since nothing is happening and noone even bothers to moderate the comments.

 

Jenny at 16/02/2008 17:37 Jenny's avatar D: I've been waiting 2 months for D.GrayMan. D: i dont want to dl it off any other subbing group. :[ i miss you guys. where did you run off to?

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 16/02/2008 18:32 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar lol @ 61 comments that haven't been approved yet.

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 16/02/2008 18:33 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar lol @ spam

 

yuurisan at 16/02/2008 21:36 yuurisan's avatar @DemonFlam001
they probably wanted to continue subbing but once episodes sarts to mount and then you have 10 episodes to sub it is hard. As a fansubber, we know its hard to sub anime because you got make sure quality,timming,translations are correct. But not everyone has to switch to shinsen...there is yuurisan-subs, we are faster than shinsen and we also support Black Order. Black order made us want to sub because the way they subbed dgm was awesome. We admire it and wanted to sub too. Though have to admit BO quality is way better than ours.

think you guys should continue so people will have nice quality dgm in their pc but if its not possible at least put in update of whats going on to your fans like what infernoz585 said...
hope everything is alright.
~yuurisan-subs

 

Privilaged user! Komurin at 17/02/2008 03:56 Komurin's avatar @luke
I agree, Shinsen is a great group. For D.Gray-Man, I'm loyal to Order, but for other series, I often go with Shinsen.

And lol indeed at the final approval of all those comments. XD

 

Jing at 17/02/2008 04:20 Jing's avatar Umm... I'm pretty sure my name used to be Allen.
I think Shinsen is okay, but they sometimes leave things out. The only thing I've noticed for sure is that when someone is talking, they'd say "Allen Walker", but you don't see that in the subs. By the way, since Order isn't subbing at the moment, I've been watching Yuurisan-subs. They're just as good and worth the watch. Just a suggestion if your that desperate to watch D.Gray-Man. (I personally think Yuurisan is better then Shinsen at D.Gray-Man)

 

proxy at 17/02/2008 07:58 proxy's avatar "<rant>"
I'm too lazy to go through and pick out names so I'm just going to address all the complainers at once. You people seriously need to back off and get a life. If you're sick of waiting, go download another group's subs, something is better than nothing right?

For those of you who are too stupid to read the previous comments or at least browse through them to find the stuff Code posted let me repost what Code said:

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"The status at the moment is, kip is busy with work and other things, so the fansub work he's got here can't be done, when he'll have free time to continue subbing, we won't know, he hasn't been in contact in a few weeks, so pretty much everything is on hold.

I really don't want people emailing him asking/begging/demanding him to sub anime which is clearly not what we do for a living. I hope this clears up all these issues, so for now, we won't know when our next release will be."
----

I'm as tired of waiting as everyone else, but the fact is people have lives and none of the members in Black-Order are being compensated for their hard work, they don't even have a donation link. You should be nothing but grateful for the effort they've put forth thus far and the time they've sacrificed.

For those of you who like to play the comparison game, forget for a moment that you only have half a brain and realize that Black-Order is a small group compared to some of the others mentioned such as Dattebayo.

Seriously you all need to just back off and let things play out, if things start rolling again soon just like how they used to, great. I really hope Black-Order makes a come back, but if the group has to shut down, so be it the world won't end. The people suggesting that the group will die if they don't hurry up and start releasing subs are truely shameless. At this point everyone knows the status and knows what is going on with this group and should not be posting anything other than encouragement or idle conversation such as the debate about HD/SD formats. With all the idiotic, selfish comments people are posting I wouldn't blame Kip if he decided to not come back.
"</rant>"

 

takachiru at 17/02/2008 14:46 takachiru's avatar you guys are doing a great job! so i'll keep waiting ,thanx :)

 

Privilaged user! DesoNoto at 18/02/2008 03:36 DesoNoto's avatar @proxy

Very well said. ;)

 

Piccolo at 18/02/2008 04:02 Piccolo's avatar i hope you'll relese some ep soon cause D.Gray-man rullz ... I got some ep from another group and after i watched the i saw that their translation wasn't as good as yours so i'll keep wating

 

Carbeaux at 18/02/2008 06:30 Carbeaux's avatar just passing by...

 

metatron at 18/02/2008 07:54 metatron's avatar your subs are much more superior and waiting for your quality releases is worth it

 

crownclown69 at 18/02/2008 09:19 crownclown69's avatar Great job on the subs, guys.

 

Privilaged user! goku91 at 18/02/2008 13:19 goku91's avatar @Code
you don't have to put this on the comment list
I just wanted to reccomend something.
Since Kip is busy with work, why don't the other staff members fix the little things on the site like About Black Order and XDCC lists. I think it would be a great suprise for Kip when he gets back. Just a suggestion. Well have a good day.

 

infernoz585 at 18/02/2008 15:11 infernoz585's avatar goku91's got some good ideas now

 

Cyclone X (web) at 18/02/2008 18:41 Cyclone X's avatar I was thinking about something today: since you're a bit behind now on the TV encodes/translations, wouldn't it be better/easier to only continue the DVD encodes/translations?

 

Donte at 18/02/2008 23:17 Donte's avatar Wow, people like to bitch for free stuff a lot. Seriously guys if you can't wait any longer GTFO and STFU. I'm sick of reading "You guys are going to disappear of you don't start subbing again soon ROFL LOLOLOL11111." It's sickening. Remember. Good things come to those who wait.

 

Level at 18/02/2008 23:42 Level's avatar one ting i dont like about black order is that it has not have a forum or someting where all the cry babys can write the same ting whit other words
realy now how many of u who postet that crap whit many whys and whats didnt see the episodes above 60?/ i saw them all and im whaiting for black orders releases.
now the sad part is that i hope that this group dont end up like many others that slowly vanish and the people disolved on the net bringing life to a new group or joining another. The leading staf members must post now and then keeping the the fans by theyr side even if they dont work on eny project
u do a prety good job on the anime try to stay alive BLACK ORDER

 

Level at 19/02/2008 00:48 Level's avatar FORGOT about the bull s**t 'its a big effort ; its hard work;.....' that some say it realy bugs me. Its not like u bild a house or something. But i respect u and the time u take to make and share share it
BO ur good become better :)
PS:Sorry for the stay77 style its a litle bit late and my enghlish is rusty

 

comicozi at 19/02/2008 02:29 comicozi's avatar @staff: i just want to know if this is a group fansub. because if it is, then why is kip the one who does everything? doesnt a 'group' mean that more then one person is involved? if i am correct then why are you unable to continue subbing without kip? as a fansubbing 'group' you should be able to get things done even when you are missing key people.


PS: im not nagging, patronizing or anything of the sort.. i just want to know this.

 

luke at 19/02/2008 13:48 luke's avatar @proxy

i dont think anyone could have said that any better. and seriously, why do people have to be so impatient?
1st: BO doesnt even get paid or ask for donations, it all comes from their own pocket.
2nd: the BO staff has a life EVEN OUTSIDE the subbing world, its not like their lives exist just to sub a few shows. they have jobs/school/uni/exams and other real life activites which are MUCH more important. leave them alone, noone bugs you when you leech off subbers for their hard work and then complain.
3rd: why dont you guys even try doing what they do in just one day so you can see that its not as easy as you think!
4th: @BO staff: take it easy with things, and just sub when you feel like it! dont let what other selfish people say about you get to you. i am sorry if i offended you guys in any way (i dont think i did, but just in case)

anyways, thanks for the kick-ass releases and keep it up! you guys rule! m/

 

Kyo at 19/02/2008 17:54 Kyo's avatar At the moment i'm watching shinsen subs because i don't want to wait. but i will delete them when BO continues xD
somehow i like BO subs more. perhaps becausee i watch them for so long now...

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 19/02/2008 21:44 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar goku91:

That requires too much effort. :D But I love laughing at the stupid people that don't know how to read previous posts. Good stuff.

And eitherway: DO YOUR PART AND SUPPORT ORDER! AKF IN THEIR IRC CHANNEL! OR JOIN MY CHANNEL AT #faggot@irc.rizon.net


:3

 

Privilaged user! Chunky-MonkeyLOL at 19/02/2008 21:47 Chunky-MonkeyLOL's avatar err excuse me, that link doesn't work :D

JOIN ME AT irc://irc.rizon.net/faggot

 

Brass2TheMax at 20/02/2008 01:19 Brass2TheMax's avatar This probably won't get through to the comments (or not for a while anyway), but I have something small to say.

QUOTE: "With all the idiotic, selfish comments people are posting I wouldn't blame Kip if he decided to not come back. "

True, there are a lot of selfish comments posted here, and B-O does nothing but contribute their own time to make a lot of other people happy. However, just to be fair and objective, these kinds of comments are sort of to be expected when you've been in a routine of supplying something, then all of a sudden it's been "taken away". The masses are very good at getting worked up about this sort of thing.

I'm not saying I support the above paragraph, I'm just saying it's not really a surprise, and I'm sure kip expects these sorts of comments, so I doubt they'll come as a surprise.

That being said, I hope everything is alright and things work themselves out in the end.

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 20/02/2008 16:11 Code's avatar goku91, I can't only kip can edit the website like that it's all hardcoded I believe

 

Kyle at 20/02/2008 20:36 Kyle's avatar Some people are wondering why many of us consider Order's subs to be superior to Shinsen's. In my opinion, Shinsen translates the Japanese a little too freely. I know enough Japanese to watch the RAWs and understand most of it, and Shinsen's subs deviate enough from the original Japanese that it's a bit of a distraction. Still very good, mind you, but sometimes things that are implied in the Japanese are outright stated in the subs, and so forth.

Order's subs seem to be most accurate to the original Japanese, which I vastly prefer. Plus, it just feels more complete and polished.

I'm downloading Shinsen's subs for now, but once Order catches up, I'm definitely going to download their's for my collection. Keep up the good work, Order!

 

ichito at 21/02/2008 01:09 ichito's avatar Yo everyone!!, well i just came here to say that i miss the subs that u maked for the fans like me, please return Kip!! onegaishimasu come back!! we need you!!, your subs are the best that i seen in my hole life, i haven´t downloaded any chapter that doesn´t belong to the Order ´cause their subs sucks! (that´s a joke obiously) but really your subs are the best!, so please come back Kip!! everyone need you!!, just see what´s happening ´cause you leave the Order for a couple of days, honestly guys if you are so desesperate go to other fansub where you can download the others chapters and leave the Order, crap like you don´t even deserve to download anime if you are going to do this when there aren´t any releases
I HOPE 100% IN YOU ORDER, AND I HOPE IN YOU KIP!! I KNOW THAT YOU COME BACK SOMEDAY..... n_____n

 

Duragon at 21/02/2008 05:27 Duragon's avatar To everyone concerned, be you leecher or provider, defendant or prosecutor, all arguments are valid and bullshit at the same time. To those whiny people crying because they have been waiting for updates and news, get a life, learn Japanese and let people be. Black Order have their own lives to tend to first. For those affiliated with Black Order, you do owe us the respect to at least say, "Life's got us by the balls right now, the next updates might be delayed for quite some time. Thanks for at least sticking with us." Also, at least a half hour to a hour a night might be a better way to go for you guys if you aren't already doing that. You might take awhile to release something but at least you can create at least some sort of reliable consistency that the whiners can't complain about.

That aside, I have no doubt in my mind that the fansubbing process can be tedious and time consuming. To quell any complaints and such, when the people of Black Order find the time, give these wankers a procedural list of just what it takes to actually do fansubbing and make it look good. You could also, for shits and giggles, create a pack of the programs you use and make it available for download so that any one who is really that desperate can do their own fansubbing and actually contribute, I know I'd find that kinda cool.

I'll end this off with an apology to Kip to whom I e-mailed asking, hopefullly not coming off as rude, what the hold up was. Own up to your mistakes people and quit bieng such crybabies.

 

Strikerflame at 21/02/2008 20:34 Strikerflame's avatar @Duragon
Y'know, I think that pretty much sums up everything right there.
/comments

 

BIT01 at 22/02/2008 00:52 BIT01's avatar I miss reading stay77's posts. they're almost comprehensible if you go really slow

 

Carbeaux at 23/02/2008 01:07 Carbeaux's avatar @code any way to help u out if i m not able to speak oder translate japanese? exept leening back and pationatly waiting?

 

Silverfox at 24/02/2008 02:01 Silverfox's avatar Black-Order eventually will realease their hard work. I have faith in them to get the job done. Waiting for Tengen Toppa!

 

xenonchaoslight at 24/02/2008 02:26 xenonchaoslight's avatar ya know,the worst case scenario be boss(kip) comin back sayin let's disband bo cause i got married or stuff like that.yeah that be really bad.by the way there was sumthin i was wonderin for a seriously long time,people like me,yeah we are the type that can't wait so we watch d gray man subbed by some other subbers so why can't the leechers do the same.if you're a guy which is stuck between loyalty to bo and the impatience to wait then you complain.if not then don't cause whinin is the same as cryin after losin a competition and that doesn't do anythin.so if can't do the time don't complain and find solutions to your prob man.

 

Privilaged user! juggen (web) at 24/02/2008 11:51 juggen's avatar Or he come back and say he's sick of fansubbing, since all u do is whine?

 

xenonchaoslight at 25/02/2008 07:14 xenonchaoslight's avatar juggen were you sayin i was whinin cause then i wasn't really whinin but you can call that unneeded message since well no leechers would really give a damn bout it

 

miekyd at 27/02/2008 01:11 miekyd's avatar when are you guys coming bak? =( i miss u black order!

 

dgknight500 at 27/02/2008 05:27 dgknight500's avatar well if anyone wants to watch quality d gray man subs try yuurisan subs. They r actually quite good and fast as lightning!

 

Anon at 27/02/2008 19:38 Anon's avatar I miss you so much it hurts sometimes...

 

V at 27/02/2008 20:02 V's avatar Having made an aborted attempt at translating the first episode of Dennou Coil, I can tell anyone who is curious that it's no walk in the park to be a translator. Now granted I would definitely say that Tengen, at least, has far less techno-babble and old people talking than Coil (old people talk different. S'truth) but in the end, there is a lot of similarity in that you're still taking a foreign context that takes an entire collectivistic culture as a trope (Japan and the US, for those unaware, are rather polar opposites in many core ways) and trying to make it elegantly digestible even by a low denominator while still retaining both the meaning and spirit of the original dialogue. Even knowing a lot of just the language would not sufficiently prepare one for something like this, and getting to the point where it all makes sense enough that you can comprehend one context even half as well as the other could be said to be an effort years in the making. Translation, also, isn't especially fun in a lot of cases. It involves a LOT of rewinding to listen closely to the same line or voice over the intercom or making sure you heard the right particle or a number of other things. Just taking down a script for an episode can be a several-hour process, and translation and editing is at least that much again as long. And then comes timing (bitch work- facilitated by knowing at least SOME Japanese), encoding (arcane artes- I still cannot, to this day, figure out how some people get decent encodes into such small sizes), quality check (screwing your head against the wall when you realize there's a typo, or the timing is off, or you missed a line, or you're just SO FUCKING SICK of the same goddamn footage that you've been looking at for so long), and finally release (bitched-at work- people always want to know why this and that and the other thing, and why did it take so long, hurry up, and ZOMG HOW DO I GOT SUBS!?!?!?! and so on).

So Order, Mad Fucking Props, guys. Seriously, you do good work and you do it with none of the of the bullshit drama and bad attitudes that others (Dattebayo, I'm looking at you) manage. And the encodes are nice too (Seriously, how do you DO that?).

The rest of you: if you can't figure out how, chill or go to hell. There is no middle ground here.

キップさん、
ご苦労さまでした。

 

RhoSangjin at 28/02/2008 01:37 RhoSangjin's avatar Please continue your hard work on the high resolution Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Reeally appreciate your awesome work.

 

Guy32 at 29/02/2008 01:07 Guy32's avatar @ dgknight500

I found their site but is it possible to download all of their episodes? I can only find a couple for download, the rest are on veoh.

btw @ V

you need to calm down, im in the middle ground. I want BO subs and it pisses me off sometimes that theyre not out, but im not buging them about it. Dattebayo doesnt hav a bad additude either, its just their sense of humor. Lighten up

 

Wija-chan at 29/02/2008 15:05 Wija-chan's avatar I can't wait for more of your fansubs! ^0^
They're great!

Haha~ even though I say that I will wait no matter how long! x'3
Take care you guys~ and keep up the hard work! ^-^

 

Baan_Dar at 01/03/2008 04:22 Baan_Dar's avatar I love your guys' subs, and you were the people who got me started n both D.Gray-man and Gurren Lagann, but it's been two months since the last episode was released. I'll check back now and then for your higher quality episodes, but I'm going to start watching from other sources. Keep up the good work, though.

 

Kyle at 02/03/2008 01:34 Kyle's avatar My suggestion to Order is that whenever you decide to start subbing again, start with whatever the current episode is (referring to D.Gray-man). I think as time goes by and episodes start piling up, it almost seems like an inescapable situation. It'll be easiest for you to just skip (for now) the missed episodes. For example, if you started releasing right now, screw everything from 61 and on and just release 72. Then, if you have time (e.g. weeks with no new episode), go back and complete the other episodes later for people who archive the show.

This is really the best solution if you all decide to start subbing again. Looking forward to it!

 

geokilla at 02/03/2008 20:22 geokilla's avatar Episode 61 of D.Gray-man should've finished encoding and translating and stuff right? Judging from the last status update, I think that episode can released.

Now I don't know much about fansubbing, but that's what I think about DGM Ep. 61.

 

DarkBoySabata at 03/03/2008 07:48 DarkBoySabata's avatar I wonder, since we haven't heard anything from Kip in a long time, what does this mean? Is Kip just really busy life now? Or sorting out other issues?

I never really heard much about why the subs aren't moving along, does anyone have any info on what Kip is up to these days?

 

anime at 05/03/2008 21:55 anime's avatar No offense, but if its only one person you are missing, Kip, why don't you just get some new staff to fill in while he's MIA?
Looking at the staff listing, he did quite a few jobs but you could easily find people to do what he did.
One person grinding things to a hault isn't the best of situations and you're too good of a group to fall into obscurity.

 

Hugh_Jasss at 06/03/2008 04:10 Hugh_Jasss's avatar What's with all the spam comments awaiting moderation? they're probably deleted by the time this comment gets through tho..
i dont want cheap viagra >_< (i'd prefer it free :P)

anyway, i'm quite confused with the complete lack of kip atm. Even when im really busy with something, if there was something else that was important to me i'd check it at least irregularly. I mean, in the past when i had stuff on i forsook distracting internet usage... but i'd still check forums etc etc weekly :S

oh well - irrespective of your current state, you guys are still brilliant at what you do. hope to see you back in action soon :D *nods*

@Kyle
Personally i'd have to disagree with that idea considering D.Gray-man is an ongoing series. If there were a planned end, there would be a point when you would no longer have the weekly subbing requirements and could catch up with previous ones. I'd prefer to have a complete order catalogue than be required to watch other subs to reach the current episode.

 

Luffyah at 12/03/2008 12:47 Luffyah's avatar Still looking every day :).

 

suiton at 15/03/2008 12:37 suiton's avatar Yea. I've noticed that kip has not been on the site nor the mIRC channel.

Also, this site is in of a major overhaul update.

I'm still waiting on the [KAA-Order] Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan episodes, but I'm not as excited for them as I was as a little while ago.

And the spam messages here amazes me in regards to how they have not been taken care of and left alone to make this thread a mess.

T_T

 

Black-Order staff Code (web) at 17/03/2008 21:19 Code's avatar Think im guna lock this now, getting a stupid amount of spam which can't be dealt with easily. You can still find us on IRC if there's anything that's needed to be said.